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Aristokles
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USA
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 Posted - 10/21/2007 : 07:11:13
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| Seems 'high horse' applies to more than just us, doesn't it? |
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macacic
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 10/21/2007 : 10:46:05
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| Paulie, insulting other Orthodox Christians is not a good way to say "Hello." |
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BTRAKAS
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2007 : 18:42:32
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I believe we are the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church." The WCC and the NCCC should be understood as dialogues where we can proclaim the Faith of the Fathers, because the heterodox do not even study in their seminaries the essentials that we understand to be the Faith, let alone, therefore, do they even have the ability to hear about what is true Christianity in their churches. These organizations are the primary way in which we can influence organized Christianity. Yet, we need to be cautious not to participate in their activities that compromise our witness to the true Faith. These entities also bring us to the attention of the public, which does not even know of us, in the west, due to our own wholly inadequate projection of the Faith. We're better at promoting our ethnic festivals.
On another note, the Holy Churches of God should be aggressively engaged in dialogue with our Old Calendarist brethren, publishing, within the Orthodox media, where our ecclesiastical stances differ, while praying and working toward "the Union of them all;" our One True Faith.-BWT |
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Emanuel
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 11/11/2007 : 21:13:10
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Originally posted by BTRAKAS
I believe we are the "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church." The WCC and the NCCC should be understood as dialogues where we can proclaim the Faith of the Fathers, because the heterodox do not even study in their seminaries the essentials that we understand to be the Faith, let alone, therefore, do they even have the ability to hear about what is true Christianity in their churches. These organizations are the primary way in which we can influence organized Christianity. Yet, we need to be cautious not to participate in their activities that compromise our witness to the true Faith. These entities also bring us to the attention of the public, which does not even know of us, in the west, due to our own wholly inadequate projection of the Faith. We're better at promoting our ethnic festivals.
That is how I used to think. But it has become apparent that the WCC and NCC have gone further and further to the left, even to the point of admitting "churches" that are not Christian in any traditional sense of the word. I put it to you that we have had little if any influence on these bodies and they will continue to drift further and further away from Christ while we need to be moving closer to Him, and that our membership in these bodies does no good and even does harm (to us). Therefore, IMHO, we should withdraw ASAP. If we are to draw people to the True Faith, we need to BE the True Faith--without compromise and appeasement. It doesn't work in politics and it certainly doesn't work in religion. |
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Yiorgos75
Junior Member
Australia
461 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 00:18:07
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the WCC and NCC is made up of a bunch of LOONIES with their own social agenda that resembles HUMANISM and social engineering rather than worship of the Triune God and the effort to seek Truth.
We are slowly getting poisoned. Our mere presence lends these crackpots credence. The faster we hit the eject button the better for all concerned. |
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Aristokles
Average Member
USA
931 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 01:06:16
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| FWIW, I, too, am in the dump the WCC and NCC group. Departing those organizations will make more of a statement than any further equivocations will ever do. |
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macacic
Moderator
USA
1968 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 17:22:44
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Originally posted by Aristokles
FWIW, I, too, am in the dump the WCC and NCC group. Departing those organizations will make more of a statement than any further equivocations will ever do.
I couldn't agree more. |
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dysis
Starting Member
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Posted - 11/12/2007 : 21:29:13
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I just heard a news report that two women were ordained as Roman Catholic Priests in a synagogue officiated by a rabbi.
Obviously, this is a little strange and I am sure the RC church does not take these women too seriously.
God Bless our Holy Orthodox Church as she remains outside of this strangeness.
I pray that it will always be as it always has been, our true faith.
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Drifter
Junior Member
Canada
172 Posts |
Posted - 03/20/2008 : 03:12:09
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Hey guys you have to check out these videos on Ecumensim. There old but they reveal the sickness of uniting churches and religions. Its divided into 8 videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEC6e8N0Wfk
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Lover of Monasticism
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 03/21/2008 : 20:18:04
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| Oh man, I watched all of those videos and they are truly infuriating. Tear-inducing when you see our Orthodox clergy participating. |
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Drifter
Junior Member
Canada
172 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2008 : 17:24:45
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| Yeah its pretty mind bogling, times are near that all orthodox should be informed. There are lots of orthodox monks that are against ecumenism, but then orthodox that are for it saying they can get converts while being in this orginization, if orthodox is the true faith and the church knows this then it shouldnt fall victim to the joining of religions. Rome wants to build a palace of religions where all faiths can go and be together. Rome broke off in the past with having the Pope be the ruler of the world and its showing now that Rome is placing there peices on the chess board ready for attack. But who knows! something to keep an eye out for. |
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grengliman
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 18:14:36
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If the moderator thinks this addition better serves as its own thread, please move...
What are your opinions of Orthodox involvement in ecumenical, charismatic gatherings, where mixed denominations gather to speak in tongues, gain spiritual instruction and receive spiritual healing?
To be clear my views align with that of the Late Fr. Seraphim Rose, who directly spoke up about such situations as being "spiritual" but not of God.
The reason I ask is twofold, first there is a small movement in Orthodoxy pushing towards charismatic worship, the followers I have spoken with express a concern of stagnation in the Orthodox faithful and wish for a "renewal" of the Ancient faith. How or why someone could perceive Christ's Church would need renewing I'll never understand. Which leads into the second reason, if down the road I choose to prepare a masters thesis, ecumenism could be a topic of choice, and I would like to better understand the differing opinions.
Thank you to all who respond. |
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Drifter
Junior Member
Canada
172 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2008 : 11:27:15
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Hello, Ecumensim is something to be very whatchfull of. They want to have one baptism and one echurist. If Orthodoxy is the fullness of the church then it cant budge not even an inch. The pope in those videos whent to gahndis grave site and held his teachings very high saying along the lines of his teachings is the heal of humanity. Now gahndi is a man who took the Beatiudes and ran with it and rejected Jesus being sinless or even being the son of God. All to often in history do we have religions taking Christ apart of the way and never fully. Every religion takes from Christ and uses him in there organization but never going the distantce with him. As is the same with the Church that Christ left, man take a portion of the truth but lack in going the distance and accepting the whole package. There in lies our delehma, all these churches that take the Holy Scripture and run with it, forming countless of thousands of Churches. Now how do you solve this problem, the devil comes and unites all these weak one wing birds and unites them and even go as far as to gather under the largest Church in the world, under the Vicar of Christ. The antichrist when he comes will unite all the nations with the christians all being in unity that makes it easier to gather up all the rest. The pope wants to unite all the religions and even is in the motions of making a "palace of religions". Theres reasons why Orthodox churches are backing out of the WCC (World Council Of Churches) The Georgian church has removed itself, Serbia and Russia have expressed wanting departure from them, and even Jerusalem. The Council is getting out of hand and is at a point where churches are going to have to start changing there doctrines in order for them to unite. If all goes well what does teh church think is going to happen, that the Rome will denouce its papacy and go back and join with the Orthodox? Its not realistic. Now Patriach Bartholemw has expressed to the other Orthodox Churches that leaving will be a "grave mistake". Personaly i beilieve that certain union has already taken place between East and West. Just look whats happeneing with the Esphigmenou Monastery http://www.esphigmenou.com/ and read the story of the union in the 1200's http://patristic.eastern-orthodoxy.com/akathist_zografou.htm We live in dangerous times and need to follow what Christ said "WHATCH". Our hearts are very cold including mine and need to warm it up with Holy Spirit and prepare for the Last Judgment. The End might not come for a hundred or more years but during each of our liftetime we need to be whatchfull and avoid these ploy's that the devil sends out to throw of us the truthfull path. We should Pray for eachother brothers that none of us fall victim, i surley know im weak and grow in the guidance of the lord to let him strengthen my weak and sinfull ways. Love in Christ.
Sorry for rambling on so much, i appologize for any wrong information i gave but im constantly learing. I would love to know what Fr. Seraphim Rose had to say fully about Ecumensim. God Bless. |
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grengliman
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 04/09/2008 : 17:08:38
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Your "rambling" makes sense. Thanks for the links, how awesome are the monks who held to the truth, all the way to death from this world. A fine example for us all. In your neck of the woods do you have Orthodox Christians moving towards these ecumenical, charismatic gatherings?
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Drifter
Junior Member
Canada
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Posted - 04/12/2008 : 07:32:39
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Hey guys, before i made those comments on ecumenism i hadnt talked to my parish priest and went on a knowledge seeking mission on this topic and developed an opinion of my own. He was telling me Orthodoxy will never change its doctrine for anything, and if it happened he would turn in is ordination. Theres alot of "dirty lundry" in the church he said that needs to be delt with. He was saying that some people against ecumenism are just trying to make themselves in to heros of the church, there were times in the past where orthodox christians stood up for the protection of the truth like St. Maximus. So the need to stand up for the truth will come naturally with God's grace. Nothing to be forced. Another thing about praying with others of different faith or church, theres a difference in "praying together" and "liturgizing together". Personally i can see that being in the WCC is neccarsary to bring orthodoxy more into the spotlight, and if the patriarch and go to the vatican and be shown with the pope it shows the humility in Christ's church. A sense of fearlesness that having the cloak of orthodoxy on you that nothing can move you to something else. My views on the pope still remain and think its very dangerous. The priest says no union with rome could ever take place unless issues on the papacy, flioque and others are dealt with. Theres a extreamly rare chance i think that rome will go back to the truth. In the mean time its better to just keep a whatch and strengthen our love for Christ and built a stronger foundation on truth. When something arises with so called unions then i will express myself, but as it is now orthodox is apart of an orginization hopefully people will come and see the light. It doesnt seem right for me to judge the situation so harshly when nothing realy has happened. Orthodoxy has been going through 2000 years of persecution and through that time the church grew stronger so to say it will be thrown away with unions i dont see it happening. Orthodoxy is the church of Christ and Christ protected it through all the horrifing years of persection and it will prevail through the time of the antichrist or any other dogma against the church. As Christ went to the depths of hell and preached so can his church be apart of orginaztions and still hold fast to the truth.
My appoligies with my ever changing mind but its a process of filtration and my growing as a christian and this site is a positive thing to talk freely and make mistakes. God Bless. |
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