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grengliman
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 Posted - 12/18/2009 : 20:12:52
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| +Bartholomew is scheduled to appear on 60 minutes this Sunday on CBS. Start time is 7pm EST. |
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parascheva1014
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USA
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Posted - 12/18/2009 : 22:13:56
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| Lord have mercy! I hope he survives their editors. |
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grengliman
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 15:35:59
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Interesting interview, I hope American Christendom now realizes some of the hardships and struggle our Ecumenical Patriarchate endures daily. I felt very sad when they showed the empty seminary, what an amazing Orthodox learning facility she must have been!
Through the prayers of the most Holy Theotokos, May our merciful and loving Master stretch out His hand from heaven and offer protection to the ancient see of Constantinople and may He soften the hearts and minds of the Muslim leaders of that land that they may allow the educating of the future workers in Christ's Vineyard to again be realized in the great city of Constantinople. Lord have mercy. |
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Yiorgos75
Junior Member
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 17:53:26
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Originally posted by grengliman
....may He soften the hearts and minds of the Muslim leaders of that land that they may allow the educating of the future workers in Christ's Vineyard to again be realized in the great city of Constantinople. Lord have mercy.
I pray for this as well, but I think that it will be unlikely if the prophecies of St Kosmas the Aetolian are to be believed. I think the next step in Greek-Turkish relations will be a war that will involve Russia. Then, I think we'll get Constantinople back. |
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grengliman
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USA
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 18:26:03
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If you have a moment could you refresh my memory of those prophecies you mentioned?
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Yiorgos75
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alexey
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Yiorgos75
Junior Member
Australia
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Posted - 12/22/2009 : 23:47:55
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Please comment this.
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17002&size=A
1. It is written by a Catholic source.
2. It showed abosultely no response from the Ecumenical Patriarchate, only comments made by the Pope. Last time I looked, a conversation required at least two participants exchanging responses. Can you point out anywhere in the article where the Ecumenical Patriarch actually responded to the Pope favourably?
3. The report misrepresents that the Cardinal's delegation "took part in the Divine Liturgy". This is not true, as all Papal delegates are only witnesses at the Service and do not receive communion, approach the altar, or are in any way otherwise involved in the Divine Liturgy, just as the Orthodox Delegation to the Vatican does not get involved in the RC service.
In all, the article tells us nothing from the Orthodox perspective and is written with a heavy RC slant. If anything (and if I was to be completely cynical) I would say that this article is nothing more than RC propaganda. |
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ICXCNIKA
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Posted - 03/07/2010 : 21:58:24
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| I didnt really care for the piece. There were alot of inacurracies. Things will only get better if they concentrate on converting the people that they actually are responsible for i.e. the Turks. When there are more than just a handful of Christians things will get better. |
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parascheva1014
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 12:49:17
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There where more than a handful of Christians there before the Armenian genocide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
I doubt seriously that Turkey will allow people to convert. They are doing everything they can to oppress and drive Christianity in Turkey out of existance.
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ICXCNIKA
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 13:04:51
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| It would be interesting to see if anyother christian denominations have been able to get converts inside turkey. I have met quite a few converted turks that were converted by the Orthodox churches here in america |
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parascheva1014
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 13:20:22
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parascheva1014
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parascheva1014
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Yiorgos75
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 18:01:48
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Originally posted by parascheva1014
Here's the outcome of the youtube story.... interesting
http://www.persecution.org/suffering/newsdetail.php?newscode=11813
I think people forget to remember the destruction of the indigenous Greek population of Turkey which occurred in 1922/23 (with the forcible deportation of approximately 1,000,000 ethnic Greeks from Turkey to Greece) and the Pontian Genocide of 1915-17 which resulted in the death and starvation of approximatley 500,000 Pontian Greeks from the Black Sea region of Turkey. This was at the same time as the Armenian Genocide.
All those who are interested in this period should watch the movie "1922". Also, I would suggest that you read about the life story of Blessed Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Smyrna, who, whilst protecting his flock, was torn limb from limb by a frenzied Turkish crowd as French and British soldiers looked on in the bay area of the City of Smyrna.
Also, as recently as 1953-55, the Greeks of Constantinople (Istanbul, which had a residual Greek population of approximately 200,000) were subjected to a pogroms. It was tantamount to the Krystallnact of Germany. Greek shops were smashed, Greeks were beaten up, Churches were torched, Greeks were lynched and Greek men were forcibly circumcised in the streets of Istanbul. This resulted in a further outflow of Greeks from Turkey so that the population of Greeks in Istanbul is now approximately 2500 people. The recent Greek movie "A Touch of Spice" alludes to the plight of the Greeks during the 1950s.
People tend to view the EP as some sort of "bug bear", yet they fail to realise just how martyric this particuar Patriarchate is. It's about time that we all stopped throwing rocks at each other and start banding together, as we are supposed to.
As far as the comment about concentrating on converting the people the Patriarchate is responsible for (i.e. the Turks), I think the EP would gladly do this, if the Turkish government would kindly hand back all the Churches, buildings, schools and lands that they have illegaly seized...and if the Turkish government would actually endorse freedom of religion.
Also, on another point, the Patriarchate of Antioch (which is properly located in southern Turkey and not Damascus or Beirut) also bears some responsibility for (at least spiritually) for the southern areas of modern day Turkey. |
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ICXCNIKA
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Posted - 03/08/2010 : 23:00:54
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| That is true but none of the Ancient Patriarchates are doing well. They are all few in number and in hostile environments. But I think the Antiochians probably have the advantage since they are predominantly arabs so I think they would share the same language and culture. I don't know if this is the case or not. Is the church in Turkey using Greek exclusively? Or are some services being done in Turkish? It would nice to see some of these turkish orthodox here return as priests to evangelize to their own people. |
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Ecumenical Patriarch on 60 Minutes
