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Larry
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USA
38 Posts

Posted - 10/30/2012 :  19:00:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Theofan: As Macacic noted, my email was written in April, 2006 and, as he suggests: Let sleeping dogs lie.
Nonetheless, there was much evil perpetrated by both sides and it seems now is the time to ascertain the status of all Albanians, Serbians, and others in Kosovo, as well as the security of their properties: Orthodox temples and monasteries, Moslem mosques and the like. Have the destructed entities been reconstructed? Are the Serbian and other minorities free to work and travel and enjoy freedom without hindrance by the Albanian-dominated government?
Yes, Theofan. I an aware of the new Orthodox cathedral in Tirana and would love to visit there and the new St. Sava Cathedral in Beograd. My diocesan hierarch has been to Tirana for liturgical celebrations as the Albanian Orthodox Church now stands resurrected from the Communist terror of Enver Hoxha.
Please report back, Theofan. I await your response.
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Aristokles
Senior Member

USA
1125 Posts

Posted - 10/31/2012 :  07:08:35  Show Profile  Send Aristokles a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by macacic

quote:
Originally posted by asorthodox

And why would the OCA have Episcopal or Methodist bishops. Is that meant to be funny or sarcastic, or is there some serious reason you could give that does not offend the Church that has been in this country the longest of any Orthodox Church and has maintained the Orthodox faith here.



Given his use of the devil emoticon, it clearly was not supposed to be taken seriously.



Agreed, but it demeaned his entire message, unnecessarily self-defeating, undermining the point.

Anyway, his bishops solution is illogical as presented. What he envisions surely won't work in Pittsburgh.
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Theofan
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Albania
8 Posts

Posted - 01/13/2013 :  03:07:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Larry

Theofan: As Macacic noted, my email was written in April, 2006 and, as he suggests: Let sleeping dogs lie.
Nonetheless, there was much evil perpetrated by both sides and it seems now is the time to ascertain the status of all Albanians, Serbians, and others in Kosovo, as well as the security of their properties: Orthodox temples and monasteries, Moslem mosques and the like. Have the destructed entities been reconstructed? Are the Serbian and other minorities free to work and travel and enjoy freedom without hindrance by the Albanian-dominated government?
Yes, Theofan. I an aware of the new Orthodox cathedral in Tirana and would love to visit there and the new St. Sava Cathedral in Beograd. My diocesan hierarch has been to Tirana for liturgical celebrations as the Albanian Orthodox Church now stands resurrected from the Communist terror of Enver Hoxha.
Please report back, Theofan. I await your response.



I apologize for the late reply, my work takes me away for long periods of time.

First of, no. I will not let sleeping dogs lie, not when someone attempts to bad mouth some of the earliest christians in recorded history! I am extremely proud of my albanian ancestors who accepted Christ in the earliest days, before Serbs even existed in the Balkans (No offense intended!). Albanians should be respected for their sacrifices in the middle and dark ages, fighting the Ottoman hordes just as Greeks and Slavs did.

Yes, many Albanians are today Muslim because life was simply easier as a Muslim in the Ottoman empire, but guess what? There were COUNTLESS Slavs and Greeks that did the same! The only difference is that we now call those Slavs "Bosniaks" and those Greeks were disposed of via population exchange with Turkey! So let's not use the "Muslim" card in this conversation at all.

Yes I will agree that there was evil perpetrated by both sides of the Kosovo conflict. However, the evils on the Albanian side were that of rebels while those on the Serb side were professional soldiers under the orders of a legitimate government! I say this not as to make an excuse for the KLA, but to put into perspective the burden of honor that should be placed upon professional supposedly Christian soldiers of a legitimate European government.

Yes, Serbs absolutely have the right to move about the country as they please, they do NOT however have the right to antagonize and provoke other ethnic groups. Doing so will lead to detainment and/or arrest by the Kosovo Police, just like anywhere else on this planet.

Yes, sadly many monasteries and serbian property was destroyed in the last decade. But let us not forget that this was done out of vengeance for the destruction of entire villages and over a hundred mosques. This is not an excuse, but rather an attempt to put these events in perspective. Keep in mind that the Kosovo Police Force have arrested over 300 Albanians and convicted over 130 people for their actions. Significantly more than the Serb government has done, considering its destruction, mayhem, slaughter and rape of Kosovar Abanians and their property. This is not to mention the shame it has casted upon our Orthodox Church!

I have known Serbs all my life, and I have NEVER met one that I did not like. I have loved them, even when I was a Muslim. I would like to say I am biased against the Serbs, but I would be lying. Only on the internet have I seen Serbs play as though they are the victims of the Kosovo conflict.

Edited by - Theofan on 01/13/2013 03:10:42
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macacic
Administrator

USA
2436 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2013 :  21:54:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This was in the news today:
quote:

The Russian Orthodox Church has expressed outrage at the arrests and beatings of Orthodox believers in Kosovo during the Christmas holidays.


In a statement released on Tuesday, the Moscow Patriarchate said that police must apologize to the head of the female monastery in Gracanica and to Bishop Teodosije for bursting into the monastery without warning on January 7, the day of Orthodox Christmas.

Several people were arrested and taken to a Pristina police station where they were beaten.

The Russian Church condemned the local authorities for scorning the religious traditions of the Serb minority and failing to protect the rights of Orthodox Christians in Kosovo.

Voice of Russia, RIA
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macacic
Administrator

USA
2436 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2013 :  15:29:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It appears these attacks have spread into Albania proper.

http://acn.liveauctioneers.com/index.php/features/crime-and-litigation/9011-ancient-church-frescoes-vandalized-in-albania
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Yiorgos75
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Australia
615 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2013 :  21:28:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What people tend to forget, is that before Bill Clinton wanted to divert people's attention away from him in relation to the Monica Lewinski affair, the US Government actually had categorised the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) as a terrorist organisation. My how things change when sinful people wish to hide their sin! He started a whole BOGUS and ILLEGAL war on the SOVEREIGN NATION of Serbia, all so that he could avoid impeachment as the US was "technically" at war.

If the Albanians in Kosovo only damaged churches and buildings, then that would be understandable (although a bitter pill to swallow). What the West does not hear, is how the so called "KLA" liberator war chiefs (ie. WAR CRIMINALS) have now divided Kosovo into mafia regions where each War Chief gets to run his own illegal business. This includes, drug trafficking, human (white flesh) slavery, illegal arms smuggling and the ILLEGAL HARVESTING of HUMAN ORGANS from KIDNAPPED SERBS from the Kosovo region, which are sold on the Black Market.

Democracy and Peace! Yeah sure. Even Carla Ponti has regretted her decision to prosecute Serbia over the whole Kosovo issue...but it's too late now. I would not like to be them on the fearful Judgement Day.

Edited by - Yiorgos75 on 01/18/2013 21:30:57
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Theofan
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Albania
8 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  15:07:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by macacic

This was in the news today:
quote:

The Russian Orthodox Church has expressed outrage at the arrests and beatings of Orthodox believers in Kosovo during the Christmas holidays.


In a statement released on Tuesday, the Moscow Patriarchate said that police must apologize to the head of the female monastery in Gracanica and to Bishop Teodosije for bursting into the monastery without warning on January 7, the day of Orthodox Christmas.

Several people were arrested and taken to a Pristina police station where they were beaten.

The Russian Church condemned the local authorities for scorning the religious traditions of the Serb minority and failing to protect the rights of Orthodox Christians in Kosovo.

Voice of Russia, RIA




Does it say who exactly was arrested and why? Also, when a people such as the Serbs have used their church as a political establishment for much of the last century, why does it come to you as a surprise that it is treated as such, and not as a religious establishment?

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Theofan
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Albania
8 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  15:10:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by macacic

It appears these attacks have spread into Albania proper.

http://acn.liveauctioneers.com/index.php/features/crime-and-litigation/9011-ancient-church-frescoes-vandalized-in-albania



It truly is sad what some fools have done in Albania. Those frescoes were around for as long as Christianity has been in Abania, and just now some idiots have decided to steal and vandalize their history.

Besides that, those two articles have nothing to do with one another. Poor people sometimes steal and idiots sometimes vandalize.
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macacic
Administrator

USA
2436 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  18:29:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe there is much more involved than poverty.
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Yiorgos75
Average Member

Australia
615 Posts

Posted - 01/21/2013 :  19:52:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Theofan

quote:
Originally posted by macacic

It appears these attacks have spread into Albania proper.

http://acn.liveauctioneers.com/index.php/features/crime-and-litigation/9011-ancient-church-frescoes-vandalized-in-albania



It truly is sad what some fools have done in Albania. Those frescoes were around for as long as Christianity has been in Abania, and just now some idiots have decided to steal and vandalize their history.

Besides that, those two articles have nothing to do with one another. Poor people sometimes steal and idiots sometimes vandalize.

Please forgive me, but whilst you expect us to lambast the Serbs about protecting their Sovereignty AND their national treasures, you also expect us to write off the Albanian atrocities as the workings of misguided vandals and poor people. Such behaviour is normally referred to as a DOUBLE STANDARD.

No matter how poor someone is, there is no excuse for thievery and vandalism. The acts of the Muslim Albanians are borne out of hate. Now the Albanians are the ones ethnically cleansing a historically SERBIAN homeland. The world turns a blind eye to that one doesn't it?
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